Advent Children Questions - Page 5

*Skuld Fan* · 11-25-2005, 04:35 AM

I thought Cloud just mistook Aeris for mother, why would Cloud say it anyway? XD

I think they were just there.. I have no idea.. XD

The thing he summoned was 'Bahamut Sin', he did it with materia, he put it in himself in the City of the Ancients..

Yeah, that's what I thought too, the other characters didn't really do much.. :P

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*Evinex* · 11-25-2005, 05:02 AM

Mother is Jenova. If Cloud said someone was Mother, ask someone like Amaru who's seen the movie. :)

Yazoo and Loz were exactly the same as Kadaj, just Kadaj was their Leader. All three were spirits of Sephiroth.

It was one of Yuffie's Materia, not Weapon. :)

The story was about Cloud. They didn't have enough time to make everyone have a big role.

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*Darksin* · 11-25-2005, 05:27 AM

It seems like the crammed everything to a small timeframe, not happy about that haha,

Mother is Jenova. If Cloud said someone was Mother, ask someone like Amaru who's seen the movie.[/b]

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no, in the end Aeris says something like I dont know how many times ive been called mother today. Which makes completley no sense unless Aeris is Jenova? I dont know anymore

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*Evinex* · 11-25-2005, 06:01 AM

Aeris isn't Jenova. All of those kids are orphans right? Aeris helped them. Mother's generally help thier children, the kids were just mistaken I guess. :)

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*Darksin* · 11-25-2005, 06:11 AM

no man, Kadaj and his group keep on talking about mother and at the end Aeris says I dont know how many times ive been called mother today (sarcastically)

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*LimeGreenSwamp* · 11-25-2005, 09:15 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Avarice @ Nov 25 2005, 03:23 AM) [snapback]291107[/snapback]</div>

OK getting off that subject...

Ok so Sephi chose Kadaj but what did the other 2 have to do with anything? were they just there?

Was it just me or was Yufie and all the other charcters a bit useless in AC except for throwing him like 3 kilometers in the air?
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They are spirts of him right? Well, maybe he had to split in to three not only one. ;)

Yeah maybe, but they couldn't leave them out, could they? :lol:

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*Evinex* · 11-25-2005, 10:35 PM

All three are his spirits, its stated very explicitily in the movie.

If Kadaj and co. are talking about mother, they mean Jenova, there's absolutely no doubt about that. About Aeris, you'll have to ask someone who's seen the movie. :)

I can't beleive how much confusion this movie has caused. I'm not aiming this at anyone in particular or anything, but nearly everything was really easy to understand, and yet most of the time its the obvious stuff that people don't. >_<

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*Darksin* · 11-26-2005, 02:29 AM

How can Sephi Have 3 living spirits? and Aeris can't? I suppose thats just the story...

What the story with those wierd wolf things? It looked like they were the only fiends in the game, but werent they created by Kadaj and co.?

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*Evinex* · 11-26-2005, 02:44 AM

^The Shadow Creepers were created by the bad guys. When Sephiroth died, he split his spirits into three parts, whats wrong with that? :P And about Aeris, there was no reason for her to come back. :)

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*Emerald Materia* · 11-26-2005, 10:28 AM

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Evinex @ Nov 25 2005, 02:02 AM) [snapback]291114[/snapback]</div>

It was one of Yuffie's Materia, not Weapon. :)
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I think it was Cloud's materia. In the game Yuffie tried to make that deal with Cloud that once they were done all the Materia would be hers. I think that's the only reason she said "Who are the guys using my materia." and Tifa was just humoring her.

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*Evinex* · 11-26-2005, 08:04 PM

^Nice observation. ^_^

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*Exire* · 11-26-2005, 10:27 PM

Well since this is about questions I have one of my own. Is it out on North American shelves yet? More so, is it in english translation? I thought it was going to be out in september but I dont really remember, I'm getting a bit too senile as of late.

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*Skuld Fan* · 11-26-2005, 10:30 PM

^ I don't think so..
But I'm sure that it will be in english though..

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*Evinex* · 11-26-2005, 10:37 PM

Yes, the version for North America, Europe and Australia will be in English. SE delayed the United States release a few days before September 12th to some time in November. There is still no release date.

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*Exire* · 11-26-2005, 10:52 PM

Geez November is almost over, they really are trying to slowly kill us =p

Well thanks for the info, but I really would like to see it. I'll just have to steer clear of the FFVII section for awhile lol.

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*Emerald Materia* · 11-26-2005, 10:59 PM

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^Nice observation. ^_^
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Thanks.

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*Knuckles* · 11-27-2005, 05:26 AM

Just to reitterate some things that were brought up...

The Mother aspect and the Lifestream: One of the subtext, or themes, of the film was about paternal relationships like parenthood and the 'Mother' concept. We see it with Cloud, Tifa and the orphans like Denzel, we see it with Kadaj, Yazoo and Loz with Jenova, and we see it again when Cloud mistook Aeris for his own dead Mother in his sub-consciousness. At the end of Advent Children, Aeris pretended to be Kadaj's 'Mother', i.e Jenova, in order to pacify his spirit and allow his reintegration with the Lifestream. She didn't want this happening (again) with Sephiroth willing his spirits not to be brought back into the Lifestream.

It's similar to the FFX theme that was developed from the FFVII Lifestream concept, with those who didn't want to move on, and so they were unsent, but some of those turned into fiends. It's exactly the same way that Sephiroth stopped himself being brought back into the Lifestream the first time after Cloud killed him, and again before the film started.

Why Sephiroth had 3 living spirits and not Aeris: I've discussed this before, but I'll just go over it. As I stated above, we've seen that Sephiroth was able to will himself (like the Ancients) to leave his consciousness and spirit behind, and not allow it to return to the Lifestream. After the major final battle at the end of FFVII though, Sephiroth was so beaten that he didn't have the strength to completely stop this transition. He was able to stop it, but not before his spirit was broken down into three seperate parts. This was why they were tracking down Jenova, in order to reform themselves as Sephiroth as a whole.

Why didn't Aeris do this? You've got to remember that Aeris is a Cetra. The core of her being, her very essence, is like her ancestor's, which is to find their 'Promised Land' and return to the cycle of life which is the Lifestream. Aeris would never go against this, and there's no good reason why she should have. Even post-game death, she did so much, like helping out Cloud and such during the film.

The Weapon that's not a Weapon: It wasn't a Weapon that was summoned. Though not referenced in the film itself (unless they do so in the English translation) it's been named as Bahamut Sin by the producers. It's a new Summon Materia.

The other characters: What we've got to remember is that this project was only meant to be a short 15 minutes film! It was just meant to reflect on Cloud's life after FFVII, but then, the project, and what needed to be done within it, grew a hell of a lot more than the projected timeframe, and so it became a huger film. But it was still kept as Cloud's film, and it really is his story, not the group's story. Saying that, I'm glad that we got what we did - with both Vincent, Tifa and the Turks having a sizable part, and the other characters making great appearances.

Who's Materia is it anyway? The materia in the store case (and so Bahamut Sin) was Cloud's. However, we also saw Yuffie with a whole bunch of Materia that she said she had gotten for Cloud to fight with. My interpretation of this was that the group did hand over all of their Materia to Yuffie at the end of the game, but Cloud just got more, and some new ones, after that. I saw the 'who is using my Materia' line as Yuffie's so subtle hint of her expecting Cloud to hand over the huge stash of new Materia that he had collected during the year.

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*Evinex* · 11-28-2005, 05:14 AM

The main thing that really added anything to FF7's storyline in AC (other then Aeris's forgivement of Cloud), was the fact that Sephiroth had the power from stopping himself from going into the Lifestream, and that he was only finally defeated when Kadaj went into the Lifestream. Unless it was lost in the translation from Japanese to English, SE did a REALLY bad job of explaining that. I didn't get what happened to Kadaj until just now. Maybe they tried to mimic FF7 and have the storyline set in a way that you have to actually search for what happened. Thats fine, just 90% of the fans can't be bothered and are just never going to understand it. :wacko:

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*Knuckles* · 11-28-2005, 05:29 AM

That's the thing. They tried to keep a bit of an 'open ending' just like in the game. Though Kadaj was reintegrated peacefully into the Lifestream thanks to Aeris, there's still Sephiroth's line that he will never become just a memory, and there's also his remaining 2/3rd spirits - Yazoo and Loz. I mean, potentially, there is room for him to return once again. Vincent mentioned that they were Larva. Jenova was needed for an instant transformation, but if he has a bit of strength left, and brought one of them back, they could one day grow to fully become Sephiroth.

So yeah. I'd have to wait till the English Version is out to fully see about this, but I think it's less a translation thing, and more that they wanted an open ending like the game, and for you to look beneath the surface to discover things more. (SE really like doing that - every FF game has some kind of aspect like that).

Lol, but yeah you're right. There are quite a few people who won't take the time out to fully discover and understand things.

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*Evinex* · 11-28-2005, 06:29 AM

^Yep, thats what people like you are for. :P Didn't Loz